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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2012.03.12 21:00:00 -
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Blowing ships up directly removes isk from circulation. You're literally blowing it up.
Your entire point is void (Due To Suicide Ganking) |

Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2012.03.12 21:47:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Blowing ships up directly removes isk from circulation. You're literally blowing it up.
Your entire point is void (Due To Suicide Ganking) No blowing up a ship creates isk from the insurance payout. The industrialist who built the ship still has the isk that was paid for it. On the other hand the price of goods will increase as somebody needs to be paid for the increased gank risk in moving goods (assuming you popped a hauler). On the effect of incursions on the economy, you realize that isk will come in somehow. If 20% of the PvE time in the game is being spent in incursions, then the fact that 20% of the PvE income comes from incursions is not a big deal (BTW your numbers are wrong, I believe that bounties number is only the bounties from missions not from ratting/plexing). From what CCP is saying they want to tweak incursions a bit, but the PvE time invested to total payout is not badly out of whack (at least when LFG and transist times are taken into account). Incursions are a bright shiny object that people have latched onto. CCP has flat out said that incursions are not a major factor in the inflation problem..
So why is insurance fraud no longer happening? If ganking CREATED isk, people would be ganking themselves to create it. (Like they did before the insurance fraud fix)
When you blow up a hauler, he only gets a portion of the isk back from the ship, and about half of his cargo is destroyed. The end result is A LOT OF ISK GETS REMOVED FROM THE GAME, some of it is transfered to a new owner, and a little goes to the owner of the dead ship.
Perfect example would be that Ibis that was ganked in Jita carrying a couple hundred PLEX.
Incursions are not a MAJOR source of inflation, no. But it IS adding to it. The fact is Incursions are the best PvE isk source in the game. It should never have been that way. It should never have made people more then lvl4's in highsec.
Incursions are just one part of a big problem. I think the major problem is the increased number of carebears in the game all farming isk, never leaving highsec, never risking it in PvP.
The huge increase in the past year, in whine threads about Cloakers, Gankers etc, are evidence the carebear population is growing. These people suckle on the isk faucets. Even after they're 5 years old they're still latching onto that nipple, and they absolutely refuse to leave their highsec house. All these carebears are amassing more and more isk and they're doing nothing with it. |

Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2012.03.12 21:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Blowing ships up directly removes isk from circulation. You're literally blowing it up.
Your entire point is void (Due To Suicide Ganking) Blowing up ships removes 0 ISK from the economy the ISK was already paid for & leaks back to the industialist that made it! The ISK is still circulating. The insurance paid actually adds ISK into the ecomony This assumes 100% of his cargo survives. It doesn't. |

Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2012.03.12 22:06:00 -
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Say i'm in a freighter with 5bil isk in cargo.
You kill me.
Lets be generous here, I get 100% of my ship cost back through insurance, and lets say i get 100% of the Platinum Insurance cost. No money is lost here! I buy a new ship and... money goes from me to someone else... again, no isk lost here.
You approach my wreck and find... whats this? Where did the other 2.5 billion Isk go? You thought for sure you saw some Pith X-Type mods when you scanned me! Where did all these disappear to?
I'll tell you a secret. It was destroyed! MAGICALLY REMOVED FROM THE GAME!
And that is how ganking removes isk. Even if the actual ship lost doesnt remove anything, -EVERYBODY- is still losing half of your fittings and cargo. COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE GAME. COMPLETELY IRRETRIEVABLE. COMPLETELY UNINSURED.
If you cant understand this, you be trollin. |

Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2012.03.12 22:20:00 -
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YOU PAID 5 BIL FOR THOSE MODULES - AND NOW IT WAS DESTROYED! POOF! |

Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2012.03.12 22:34:00 -
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I really dont know how to be any more obvious about this.
Blowing up players results in lost isk. You lost isk. Isk sink. Isk gone! TRUST ME - I HAVE A MONOCLE
Do you really think i would have amassed this much wealth and not know the difference? My shirt cost 800 million isk alone.
ITS AN ISK SINK |

Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2012.03.12 22:49:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:I really dont know how to be any more obvious about this.... ... Blowing up players results in lost isk. Blowing up a player's ship and his goods reduces his net worth and may leave him broke. While his stuff did have value before it went poof, it was not isk. Here it is Barney style: 3 players in the game, you, me and Joe the Miner. Each of us have 100 isk. 300isk in the game. I buy 90 isk in materials from Joe, and build a ship. Now, you have 100, I have 10, and Joe has 190. 300 isk in the game. You buy the ship from me for 100 isk. Now, you have 0, I have 110, & Joe has 190. 300 isk in the game. Your ship gets blown up. you get 20 isk from insurance. I still have 110 & Joe still has 190. 320 isk in the game. While you are broke, no isk was destroyed and the total amount of isk in the game has actually increased.
Its still lost isk. I paid for those modules and now they're gone. The modules didnt change hands My employees in highsec all mined for hours and hours to provide me with them And all of that is now removed
WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS OBVIOUS ****? Buy a monocle maybe that'll help.
Dont tell me you're too blind to see |
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